Could You Really Shoot Someone?

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What is the Prepper’s mantra?  Something like beans, bullets and band-aids?

Okay, the beans and band-aids are easy, but what about the bullets?  Don’t worry.  I am not going to ask you whether you are armed nor am I going to ask you how much ammo you have stashed under your bed.  Instead, in today’s blast from the near past, I invite you to read the article, Can Nice People Shoot?.

It was written a couple of years ago, but, as with many of the articles here on Backdoor Survival, the message is timeless.  That said, I have come a long way since that article was written.  Not only in my personal training but also in my development of a defensive mindset that includes tools beyond my trusty Ruger and Glock.  Read the article and let me know what you think.

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Can Nice People Shoot?

THE FINAL WORD

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Could You Really Shoot Someone? — 36 Comments

  1. Yes, it is called survival. My family group has already prepared if in fact that does happen and we have to. Although we like to think all people are like us and are good. Sadly that is not the case. So one needs to prepare mentally to handle the emotions that will be involved before hand.

    • Renee trust me when I say you also need to prepare mentally to handle the emotions that will be involved afterwards when you realize you have just snuffed out another human being’s life. Whether they deserved it or not will be immaterial. In a SHTF situation I bet there will be many instances of where a good psychologist would be invaluable but probably unavailable.

      • THAT is soooo true unfortunately… I really believe that the society we live in will fall apart. I have sooo many moths worth of food (canned and freeze dried)stashed in our crawl space. Alaska does not usually permit the building of basements due to permafrost fracturing the structure. Permafrost even screws up our roads in certain areas. The crawl space is about 3.5 feet high and, I stacked a corner with necessities. I wish it were bigger so I could store more. I know canned food does go bad eventually so I have plenty of freeze dried and vacuum sealed options. Rice and dry beans are also a great staple. They are bland, but they will provide you with some protein and carbohydrates. Our society will cease to exist as we know it. It will catch us off guard. It is always best to be prepared even if it’s a natural disaster such as a flood, hurricane, or a tornado that leaves you stranded. People panicked when Hurricane Katrina hit the coast. Some took to raping and pillaging which is unfortunate. They weren’t prepared for the aftermath of the disaster, and they stole from and killed other people that had been prepared. Martial law was even put into place to stop the killing and help people out of the danger. Our government, economic system, and way of life as we know it WILL cease at some point whether it is in our life time or not. It is best to be prepared for it.

  2. I can’t imagine shooting anyone……but when faced with kill or be killed, shooting would be almost instinctive. I hate guns but I’m taking a course to carry…..which I won’t , unless I feel threatened. I don’t have a gun myself ( yet ), but my neighbor is letting me borrow his to practice on targets. I think this is extremely generous, but then I am responsible for buying the ammo. My first choice is still my favorite……a cross bow.

  3. years Back when in the military, small arms training was manditory,i did ok i was told.now..i’m NOT really worried –but if necessary,i’ll do something to protect my self.
    I’m NOT a hunter. my answer to the question.

  4. “Read the article and let me know what you think.”

    One: Those cops always ‘fear for their safety’ and just about always get off scot free. It’s pathetic.

    Two: If someone is running away from you…

    Three: Yet Again: DON’T Call 911, And DON’T “Help” the Police …
    [That’s a title, BTW].

    Four: Contrary to those who say, “don’t own a gun if you’re unwilling to shoot someone and unwilling to train for weeks on end”, I told a former girlfriend to just get one and carry it simply to get used to having one and carrying one. To get over the fear of one.
    Practice can come later.

    Otherwise, it was an interesting read.

    • What a pile of crap! Cops don’t always get away with shooting someone. They can commit murder like anyone else, if anything is questionable about a shooting it’s investigated no matter what the uniform. How the hell would you like to work with a killer, with a mindless trigger finger? But also try to live with the real concern of that unknown guy your approaching might be armed and with- out any hesitation to kill you? Try it every night for a few years, but you’ll need balls to do that.

    • Too funny, Jim Gibb.
      Why do you apologize for our overlords?

      If you spent even half a day at freedominourtime.blogspot.com you’d see how misled you are.

      Cops always get off, its something like 99 to 1.

      But don’t let facts get in the way of a good rant, eh?

      @ Kris, do you have the same opinion of driving a car or holding a hammer? A gun is just a tool, having one is not a dangerous thing to do,… it’s the using one that is risky.

      OMG! A woman has a nail gun! Run!
      OMG! A woman with a kitchen knife! Run!
      But don’t run with scissors, right?
      Yeesh, Kris, do you think everyone else besides you is an idiot?
      And I won’t even mention the dangerous tools women may operate in the workplace everyday.

      They should just stay home and make babies, right?

      Got-dang, does the sight of an M-80 scare the crap out of you?

    • Police do not always get off. Every Police shooting is investigated. Many times it’s investigated by the law enforcement agency along with the state Police and your states attorneys office. and sometimes the FBI. If it’s a bad shooting they get fired and depending on the negligence of the shooting. They can be criminally charged as well. The question is whether or not it was a justifiable shooting and is there enough evidence to prosecute.

  5. I have a left-handed question. If police are so well trianed for use of arms, why do they shoot to kill? Why don’t they shoot to disable? I know about the adrenalin and the fear of their own lives, but not everyone is out to get them….some are running, so you shoot them in the back? I don’t understand cops anymore. It seems they’ve gone rabid……am I wrong?

    • If you have a handgun, you would not need to ask that question. |So find someone willing to take you out and try hitting anything with a handgun. Then try a arm or leg size object, in the heat of the moment, with heart pounding maybe heavy breathing, your lucky to hit a man size object. That’s why they train and remember that’s to help you from being raped and killed. Damn little pay for putting one’s life on the line each day!

      • There are bad apples in every profession……those who will take advantage of their position. If you are insulted….I’m sorry!! I happen to know at least one bad apple.

  6. Ya, you know, Kathryn, the experts will say it’s hard to shoot someone in the leg or something like that. I don’t think I would find it so hard to do, myself. But, perhaps you don’t know, the cops are trained to shoot ‘center mass’ which means, death. And that’s why the Taser was touted as a great solution,… only, it’s resulted it a whole lot of deaths, too.

    Some people say, myself included, that the only real solution is a private peace officer, and we are better off if all police departments are dissolved.

    Anyway, I came back here tonight to offer this bit for reflection, something you were most likely never taught in grade school, or any other school:

    The Pilgrims’ Real Thanksgiving Lesson

    http://blog.independent.org/2013/11/24/the-pilgrims-real-thanksgiving-lesson/

    I hope everyone reads that, especially our gracious hostess. If she hasn’t’ already.

    • I’ve known, that the story of Thanksgiving was glorified to keep the tradition alive….as is Christmas, and other holidays (most of which are supposed to be ” God” based ), but these celebrations are traditional….and I might add, fun. It breaks up the year….something to look forward to. The question was could we shoot someone if need be ( paraphrased)? To save myself or my family and home……YES. I would do my damnest. I already answered, I know, and I can see, firearms a very controversial….have been for a long time. Too much to add, so I’ll stop….with this.

      P.S look at what’s happening now…….kids/ punks, knocking ANYBODY out, for the fun of it. I mean this is not the way I remember things when I was younger. What the Hello happened?

      Enough said….from me.

  7. So while my comment is tied up in moderation, I’ll say this: Kathryn, you’re not wrong. imho.

    Especially when you read headlines like this:

    ‘Cops Spray Woman’s Vagina With Mace To “Punish” Her’

    ‘Cops: On Duty Officer Raped Young Woman On Squad Car’

    ‘High School Student in Critical Condition After Being Tazed by Cops’

    Yeesh, it seems like, The World is a Vampire.

    Heck, I ain’t afraid of the zombie hoard, I fear the cops and their good intentions.
    Even the Doctors are getting in on the action.
    I mean, look up these titles:

    ‘Mother: Flu shot is responsible for death of teenage son’

    ‘The vaccine mafia and its jury of thugs: your rulers’

    Or consider this quote:

    “It is simply no longer possible to believe much of the clinical research that is published, or to rely on the judgment of trusted physicians or authoritative medical guidelines. I take no pleasure in this conclusion, which I reached slowly and reluctantly over my two decades as an editor of The New England Journal of Medicine.”

    (Marcia Angell, MD, “Drug Companies and Doctors: A story of Corruption.” NY Review of Books, Jan. 15, 2009.)

    And the Vampire World makes excuse, after excuse, after excuse, to excuse its monster actions.

    …And the beat goes on.

  8. Something you may want to consider. Don’t practice on bull’s eye targets. Yes, you will improve your shooting skill but practice on half size paper human figures. If you are ever faced with a real shooting situation one’s brain will recognize the target form. Bad guys don’t wear bull’s eyes. This is something the Army learned after WWI and started teaching before WWII. It made a big difference in the fact that the solders would actually shoot a man. Training to shoot is a skill. Training the brain what to shoot is something else.

  9. To answer the question, could I shoot someone? Simply put, YES. I have seen people kill for no sane reason or even a serious drug addiction. That beast inside the human resides very close to the thin skin on many people, you don’t know how close on some of the nicest people you may meet. In the case of someone trying to get into your safety zone without invitation, you’ll have little choice if they enter. My family deserves to be protected without hesitation. However, if given a choice, I would rather use a rifle at a few hundred feet. Women and children don’t need to be exposed to the trauma
    of close combat. But, it bears teaching them what to expect when things get really bad. all the evidence I have seen, leads me to think it’s going to be really bad from the start. Why has Obama bought all the bullets and food? It’s not going to be for a picnic.

    • Gibbs, Gibbs, Gibbs, Gibbs! I know it is cruel, but this is the closest I can come to imitating Abby. Taking from your comments, I assume you are in police enforcement. In my younger days when I tried to obtain life insurance, my profession was always ranked in the top 2 professions as to risk of life. The other competition was from those who welded on high pressure gas lines while in use. With the risks I have taken, there is no way in the world that I would pull over a speeding motorist and walk up to the car, not knowing what you are going to run into. These officers must be high on something. Life? Adrenaline? Maybe something that comes out of a bottle. I don’t know, but my hats go off to anyone that can do that.
      My baby brother was killed in the line of duty. After his killers trial, they released the video of the cameras in the hall of the hospital. My brother was escorting a prisoner to the hospital for treatment. No video in the room, but there was a contusion on my brothers head, then shot in the head with his own gun, and a big dent in the metal bed pan. I can also state that my brother taught marshal arts at the academy. Just watching the video of this killer, you could see evil in him. The way he moved and acted. If a man like this came to my door after the SHTF, I would shoot him on sight. Anyone else would get the opportunity to talk to me before I make the decision to shoot. I may not have to wait until TSHF. I NEVER go to the door without a weapon in the hand that is not used to opening the door. Paranoid? Maybe, but in this day and age?

  10. Apart from if cops can get away with murder or not – the question posed is, could or will a normal person be able to kill another person? If you haven’t read it, I offer up the book “On Killing” by Dave Groseman (sp?). It was required reading for some combat units and take you though the events leading up to shooting someone in self defence, and the aftermath. Good read.

    • I believe you’re referring to Lt. Col. Dave Grossman. He was a witness for the prosecution at the trial of Timothy McVeigh (Murrah Federal Bldg) and author of a number of books including, Killology. His job in the military was to desensitize Marines towards the “Neutralizing” (killing) of “Targets” (humans). I’ve met him and he is a fascinating person with incredible stories to tell. I can tell you this; the first time you neutralize a target it changes who you are, and you will re-live that moment in your mind a hundred times or more – justified or not. I was in the military and lived that. Years later I still see their faces in my dreams. Rambo is only in the movies. Know your weapon, practice, practice, and practice some more. Never draw unless you’ll use it. When it’s time to fire, don’t pull the trigger – squeeze it…and don’t think about what you’re aiming at, instead visualize the threat they represent to you or your loved ones. It’ll help. A little.

  11. I’ve had my conceal carry permit about 8 months. The husband and I go to the range at least twice a month, we are teaching our teenage children about firearms and weapons safety, and I practice at home (dry fire, dry/empty draw) several times a week (and I’m really cautious and conscientious about whether my gun is loaded or not).

    I don’t carry all the time (my typical errands and employment make it difficult, since I frequent schools, colleges, libraries, and church), but I carry as much as I can. Sadly, those locations I frequent are the ones that mass murders take place. I have thought about carrying always, but I cannot get my head around breaking the “gun free zone” laws, though I know people who do just that daily.

    Violent crime occurs when people least expect it, and I do not want to be a victim if I can help it. If my gun is at home locked away in the safe, it will not help me if I’m in the store and a man comes in pointing a gun at me and other customers. If that’s the case, I believe my instincts would kick in. That gun pointed at me or someone else is a deadly threat, and I would be justified in using my own weapon to protect my life and the lives of others around me. I hope and pray I never have to experience that.

    • So to answer the brief question, yes, I believe I am capable of killing someone if the situation warranted it. It would be a survival instinct, especially if I were protecting children.

  12. I know I was capable of killing someone if the situation warranted. I wasn’t military or LEO I was an everyday person that believed in my right to protect myself. That’s why I don’t carry a gun anymore. I can’t be sure the next time I would be capable of pulling the trigger and that hesitation could be fatal. So it makes me more vulnerable to have it than not. It’s not the act of pulling the trigger or hitting your mark that makes you afraid. It’s the agonizing knowledge that you have taken someone’s life and second guessing from then on if there was another way. I don’t begrudge anyone the right to carry and protect themselves with extreme prejudice, but while you’re imagining what it might be like to pull that trigger don’t ever forget you also have to live with the aftermath. And they don’t teach you how to do that.

  13. My fear is that in the onset of a real survival situation I would hesitate because I would be unsure if things had become as dire as I think. I don’t want to be the one to “go there” and be wrong. After it has become abundantly clear that the world has gone to hell, then yes i think i could shoot someone. It would be difficult in a real shtf scenario to tell which people would do you harm OR just needing help and stressed out.

  14. My fear would be that in the onset of shtf survival situation I would hesitate because I would not want to be the one to go there…….and be wrong. In the begaining there would be a lot of people that would do you harm and there would be others that would simply need help and be really, RALLY stressed out.

  15. For me, the talk about law enforcement pros and cons just doesn’t come into whether I can shoot to kill someone. Current times when police force funds are being cut, to depend on help from local authorities just won’t be an option. On top of that, just how many of those left will stay to maintain authority instead of getting home to protect their families must be considered?!
    Add to that fact, so many will be carrying openly, how will I or anyone else know who’s friendly and who isn’t? Do I shoot first and ask later?
    Then there is the after effect as someone has already mentioned, killing a person changes the killer. Mentally you can call it neutralizing the target, but the soul knows you are killing another living being. Yes it changes a person. Talk to vets, police officers and even some hunters, it can change the mindset of a person for good or bad or even to hesitate the next time. This is why most law enforcement, after a shooting, must go through some therapy before they go back out on the streets.
    So to answer your question, could I kill someone. Right now, I’m not sure. I know I am capable. I also know what skills i have to do it. BUT it would depend on the situation. Is it only one person? Is there another way of handling the situation? Is there more than one person on either side?
    I used a wheelchair for most of my mobility. To openly carry a weapon is asking to be a target. I will not challenge, but I will be ready to defend me and mine; although as in the past, my opponent won’t know where it’s coming from or how. I will avoid when I can because I do not wish to take a life. So could I? Yes. BUT I consider myself a healer more than a warrior anymore, even though those instincts remain intact.

  16. Get a flare gun from walmart. It will put someone in enough misery you’ll have time to escape and convey the message that you are to be avoided. They are also allowed in commercial vehicles where firearms aren’t.

  17. The old saying is “It is better to have it and not need it, Than to need it and not have it. Folks, I think most decent people don’t really want to hurt anyone. However we live in a world with bad people lurking around trying to take advantage of good people. It’s best to prepare for those times. I hope and pray that we as a nation never have to experience this sort of bad times. It’s a good thing to help one who is in need. However it is your ultimate responsibility to protect your family first.

  18. Everyone can kill to survive, its a question of which buttons that are being pushed by the aggressor and or the situation….only you can decide their fate if you have the upper hand…..”Life or Death”….Good vs Evil….Living Free or to Die Hard…. YOUR CHOICE……?

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